|
Dear Subscribers:
The following is a cc to me at Antipasministries.com from Laurence
Gerstner at lstnag@yahoo.com.
PREFACE TO GERSTNER'S
RESPONSE TO DENE McGRIFF
What Laurence Gerstner is saying here is extremely important! Both
Dene McGriff and Doug Krieger at Tribulation Network worked under me for many,
many years at Antipas Ministries; but both "exited the kitchen" because it
was getting too hot for them: Dene because he thought my attack on the church
in America was too harsh which is, sadly, what my brother believes also
- and Krieger because he didn't want to leave the United States. Indeed, both
later advised those who followed them out of the ministry to not only stay
in Babylon, but to go out and buy a home.
In the light of the recent real estate crash, I wonder what those
who took their advice are thinking now.
In the intervening years what both Dene and Doug have done is take
my material and "water it down" so that it is more palatable to their American
readers. God help them on THAT day.
Brothers and sisters, these are very, very serious matters; it's
"no skin off my nose" if you fail to respond to God's warning here. It's you
that will pay, not me; the Bible says:
"Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them,
When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of
their coasts, and set him for their watchman:
"If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet,
and warn the people;
"Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not
warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his
own head.
"He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood
shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul.
"But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet,
and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from
among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; BUT HIS BLOOD WILL I REQUIRE
AT THE WATCHMAN'S HAND."
God help us - and God help YOU - if we don't speak out!
God bless you all!
S.R. Shearer
_____________________________
To Dene at Tribulation
Network.
Summary, according to your article, Revelation 18:4 is the rapture
of the church at the end of the tribulation; my question is why does your
article IGNORE the verse quoted in Revelation 18:4?
What follows are additional verses that apply to God's warning in
Revelation 18:4; they are provided to Dene from Laurence as a series of questions:
Jeremiah 51:45
|
Verse 45: |
"My people, go ye out of the midst of
her [i.e., Babylon], and deliver ye every man his soul from the fierce anger
of the LORD."
The Hebrew idioms used to denote the time
of the daughter of Babylon in Jeremiah 50 and 51 that also describe
this Hindermost nation, is obviously the same nation that is described
in Revelation 18.
|
50:4, 20 |
"in those days" and "at that time" |
|
51:2 |
"day of trouble" |
|
51:33 |
"time of harvest" |
All idioms denote the end of the age...
Then why do you [meaning Dene] IGNORE
the seven times in these two chapters alone that HIS people are
commanded to flee escape run for their lives from THE LAND of this
nation?
Revelation 14:8 Babylon falls before the mark of
the beast. |
Jeremiah 50
|
Verse 8 |
"Remove out of the midst of Babylon, and
go forth out of The Land of the Chaldeans, and be as the he goats before the
flocks."
Note, Chaldean besides a resident of Chaldea, also means the experts,
wise men.
Nebuchadnezzar called for the Chaldeans, the so called experts, the wise of
this world.
Vs. 4 gives the time, end
of age, get out of the Land.
|
|
Verse 16 |
"Cut off the sower from Babylon, and him
that handleth the sickle in the Time of harvest: for fear of the oppressing
sword they shall turn every one to his people, and they shall flee every one
to his own land."
The harvest is the end of the Age YESHUA;
everyman to flee to his own land.
|
|
Verse 28 |
"The voice of them that flee and escape
out of the land of Babylon, to declare in Zion the vengeance of the LORD our
God, the vengeance of his temple."
Flee the Land of Babylon
|
|
Verse 45 |
"Therefore hear ye the counsel of the
LORD, that he hath taken against Babylon; and his purposes, that he hath purposed
against the land of the Chaldeans: Surely the least of the flock shall draw
them out: surely he shall make their habitation desolate with them."
The least will draw His people out. |
Jeremiah 51
|
Verse 6 |
"Flee out of the midst of Babylon, and
deliver every man his soul: be not cut off in her iniquity; for this is the
time of the Lord's vengeance; he will render unto her a recompense."
Flee out of the midst of babylon,
no post trib rapture here.
|
|
Verse 9 |
"We would have healed Babylon, but she
is not healed: forsake her, and let us go every one into his own country:
for her judgment reacheth unto heaven, and is lifted up even to the skies."
Forsake her, leave the country
|
|
Verse 45 |
"My people, go ye out of the midst of
her, and deliver ye every man his soul from the fierce anger of the LORD."
Revelation 18:4 "Come out
of her."
|
|
Verse 50 |
"Ye that have escaped the sword, go away,
stand not still: remember the LORD afar off, and let Jerusalem come into your
mind."
Greater Exodus Jeremiah 16:14, you are either gathering
or scattering !!! |
Dene, not one , not two, but SEVEN
additional witnesses refute your conclusions..
I will now send this to the one [i.e., Shearer] who is telling the
truth, you will not answer, unless you deny the Plain simple easy to understand
meaning of scripture.
Wake UP! Christians Must Flee
Babylon
[Please see our article on Revelation 18:4, "Come
out of Her."]
_____________________________
What follows below is the original posting from Dene McGriff against
S.R. Shearer's interpretation of Revelation 18:4 that prompted brother Gerstner's
response.
Steve Shearer insists on a literal interpretation of Revelation
18:4:
"And I heard another voice from heaven saying, "Come out of her, my people,
lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues."
He interprets this to mean that American Christians MUST get out
of America any way they possibly can by any means, they must flee.
He views the "sins and apostasies" of America as so evil that to stay here
is to be contaminated by her filth, participating in her sins and plagues.
There are no "ifs", "ands" or "buts" about it. He sees this as a command
for every Christian which MUST be obeyed no excuses. There are three
problems with this teaching:
I discuss the timeline of events in the book of Revelations
in detail in Chapter 2 of "In Search
of Mystery Babylon."
The rapture of the church is clearly mentioned in Revelation
11:12 "And they heard a loud voice from heaven
saying to them, 'Come up here.' And they ascended to
heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them." It
occurs with the sounding of the seventh trumpet. There
is another reference to the rapture in chapter
15 when it speaks of the harvest prior to the
coming wrath. So the church is gone. In Chapter
16, with the church gone, the seven bowls of
wrath are poured out. Just a parenthesis here. Most
pre-trib rapture proponents' main argument is that the church
shouldn't suffer the wrath of God. They don't understand
that the rapture occurs and then the wrath is poured out.
The sequence in Revelation is clear. Now we come to the final bowl in Revelation 16:17-19:
Then the seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air,
and a loud voice came out of the temple of heaven, from the
throne, saying, "It is done!" 18 And there were noises and thunderings
and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such a mighty
and great earthquake as had not occurred since men were on the
earth. 19 Now the great city was divided into three parts, and
the cities of the nations fell. And great Babylon was
remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of the
fierceness of His wrath. Please note that this last judgment is specifically against Babylon.
As we read on, we see that Chapters 17, 18 and 19 elaborate
on the judgment of end times Babylon in its three manifestations:
religious, commercial and political respectively. As I
point out in my book "In Search
of Mystery Babylon, no other nation on earth
matches this description: a nation that is outwardly religious
but in a blasphemous sort of way, one that is the great commercial,
consumer nation and the greatest military power on the earth.
Please see the book for specifics.
Revelation 18 describes
the judgment of this great commercial nation, one of the three
expressions of "Babylon". Verse 4 is the verse Steve Shearer
focuses on, "Come out of her, my people, lest
you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues."
We clearly established that the church was removed before the
bowls of wrath (and Rev. 18:4
is a part of the seventh bowl). The term "come out of
her" in this verse and the verse in Revelation
11:12, cited above, use the same terminology.
It is a clear reference to the Church's rapture meaning, "come
up and out of her" as the book of Revelation intertwines
these timelines. It certainly should be a warning to all
generations not to be entangled in the evil world system, which
Babylon certainly typifies. Revelation
18 is the judgment of commercial Babylon.
Clearly, this is part of the wrath of God. It is completely
destroyed in the space of one hour and the whole world mourns
because there is no great consumer nation to buy their stuff.
|
