DOMINIONISM IS AT VARIANCE
WITH THE SCRIPTURES
Of course, none of these things (i.e., the "Great Revival,"
"taking back territory," etc.) have any connection with the
Scriptures. Indeed, they are at TOTAL variance with them - and
that's because the Scriptures point unswervingly to an apostatized church
at the "end of days" that has fallen into "deception"
(Matt. 24:21-25). Paul says,
"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not
come, except there come a falling away [i.e., an apostasy] first,
and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
"Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called
God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple
of God, showing himself that he is God." (2 Thess. 2:3-4)
What's Paul saying here? Well, it's plain enough! - he is saying that
BEFORE the "man of sin" (i.e., the AntiChrist) is revealed
there will be a FALLING AWAY of Christians from the faith. That
is what the word "apostasy" means - to "fall away."
Unbelievers can't "fall away" from the faith - they were never
there to begin with. To believe so is tantamount to saying that someone
who is on the first floor of a building can "fall away" from
the building's tenth story even though he has never been there. It's
impossible! It's an absurdity!
This may not be what Christians today want to hear - but this is certainly
what the Scriptures say. Indeed, the Lord Himself says that when He
returns to wind up this present evil age, the overall state of the planet
will be very similar to the time of Noah just prior to the flood (Lk.
17:26-27), and the time of Sodom just before the cataclysm which destroyed
that city (Lk. 17:28-30). The picture here, in both illustrations, is
of a wholly sinful, unconcerned world, carrying on its business without
a care to know spiritual truth (cf. Gen. 6:5, 11-12 and Gen.
18:20-21).
The fact is, the basic premise behind Christian dominionism - that
the church can conquer the world using the military might of the United
States - is so TOTALLY and COMPLETELY absurd that only
apostates of the worst kind could possibly accept such a supposition
- which is EXACTLY what people like C. Peter Wagner, Charles
Stanley, D. James Kennedy, Tim LaHaye, the late John Wimber, Juan Carlos
Ortiz, C. Peter Wagner, Beverley LaHaye, Ern Baxter, Kenneth Copeland,
etc. are - i.e., APOSTATES.
Concerning the picture of the church just prior to His coming again,
the Lord is constrained to ask rhetorically,
"... when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the
earth?" (Luke 18:8)
PART 5: FICTION MEETS REALITY - THE CHURCH
And now - after the Gog/Magog War - fiction begins to meet reality;
deception meets fact; the cracked-pot and vain imaginings of C. Peter
Wagner, John Eckhardt and their ilk meet the reality of Biblical truth:
and that is, that the people of the world are NOT waiting around
breathlessly for their (i.e., the American evangelical's) selfish, mean-spirited
brand of Christianity; and that the rest of the world, if not American
evangelicals, recognize the American Empire for what it really is -
that it is NOT the "New Israel of God," but a -
"... BEAST, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly
... (with) great iron teeth ... that ... devours and brake in pieces,
and stamps the ... (people of the earth) with its feet ..." (Dan.
7:7)
Come on now, is it really that hard to see? Is it that difficult to
understand why people outside the United States despise America, a country
that has - as we have shown on numerous other occasions - attempted
to overthrow more than 40 democratically elected governments since the
end of World War II; and that has tried to crush more than 30 populist-nationalist
movements struggling to assert their own legitimate political and human
rights over and against intolerably corrupt, brutal dictatorships (most
of which had been installed by the American government) during the same
period of time?
Is it really that difficult to understand the feelings of detestation
and hostility that people would have towards a nation that has subjected
most of the world to "client-state" status in the service
of American multinational corporations like the United Fruit Company
(now Dole) in Central America; Exxon / Mobil Corporation in the Middle
East; Nike Corporation in Malaysia; Rockefeller corporate interests
in Brazil and Argentina, etc., and that has - as a result - condemned
the people of these nations to lives of grinding poverty, unrelenting
agony and hopeless despair?
AMERICAN EVANGELICALS MAY BE BLIND TO ALL THIS, BUT THE REST OF
THE WORLD ISN'T! - AND THEY'RE NOT WAITING AROUND WITH OPEN ARMS FOR
A CHANCE TO BECOME ANOTHER SLAVE STATE IN AMERICA'S "NEW WORLD
ORDER SYSTEM."
No! - most of these peoples and nations will fight against being made
to grovel at America's feet. They want no part of it. But in the religio-political
system that is now beginning to evolve around America's "New World
Order System," rebels against this system will be made to appear
as REBELS AGAINST GOD.
In the "New World Order," opposing America is tantamount
to opposing God. Come on, isn't that how most American evangelicals
will take it? Isn't that what someone like John Hagee will say? And
Pat Robertson? And D. James Kennedy? And James Robison? And Tim LaHaye?
- who like the nincompoop he really is thinks that the AntiChrist will
come out of Romania! These are the blind leading the blind! - and all
because they stubbornly refuse to see the truth about the United States
that the rest of the world - believers and unbelievers alike - so plainly
sees.
And one should not underestimate the ferocity that will be unleashed
on those who rebel against the American New World Order System. Take
the ominous words of John Eckhardt, for instance:
"God has a plan and purpose He will fulfill ... NOTHING
WILL STAND IN HIS WAY... God calls the ravenous bird of prey [which
Eckhardt says is the "Apostolic Church"] to execute His
purposes ... The ravenous bird is the Hebrew word for ayit,
meaning a hawk. It also means to swoop down upon."
A RAVENOUS BIRD OF PREY? - that's what the church of America's
New World Order System is? Eeee gads! God help those who oppose this
church! Eckhardt continues:
"... The hawk symbolizes sharpness, keen vision and quickness.
It represents discernment and insight into the plans and purposes
of God. The hawk is a swift bird that SUDDENLY SEIZES HIS PREY.
It is a ravenous bird. Ravenous means extremely hungry, voracious
or greedy for gratification."
And this is what Eckhardt calls the church? - a VORACIOUS, GREEDY
BIRD OF PREY! A bird of prey that will seize and devour its enemies.
What kind of Bible is Eckhardt reading out of?
Then there's the words of Randall Terry, the founder of Operation Rescue:
"I want you to just let a wave of INTOLERANCE wash over
you. I want you to let a wave of HATRED wash over you. Yes,
HATE IS GOOD ... Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a
biblical duty, we are called by God to conquer this country. We don't
want equal time. We don't want pluralism."
HATE IS GOOD? Is that what Terry is saying? How does one square
that with the words of Christ when He said:
"Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them
that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute
you." (Matthew 5:44)
WHAT THEN IS THE STANDARD
BY WHICH ONE WILL BE JUDGED?
Now, one must understand something here! - the standard upon which
one will be judged here is not all that high. One is being asked simply
to differentiate between the MURDEROUS kind of Christianity that
the church of Charles Stanley, D. James Kennedy, Tim LaHaye, the late
John Wimber, Juan Carlos Ortiz, C. Peter Wagner, Beverley LaHaye, Ern
Baxter, Kenneth Copeland, the late Kenneth Hagin, Oral Roberts, Richard
Roberts, Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Chuck Colson, Jack Hayford, etc.
proclaim and the simple Gospel of the "PRINCE OF PEACE."
Where is the difficulty in that?
IF YOU CHOOSE GOD YOU
WILL BE LABELED A WITCH
Of course, there will be a price to be paid for those who choose the
Jesus of the Gospels. Indeed, one runs the very great risk of being
labeled a WITCH! For instance, John Eckhardt claims that those
who oppose the direction of the church today (i.e., the "church
in dominion") are controlled by a spirit of WITCHCRAFT.
He goes on to say,
"One of the signs of WITCHCRAFT operating and infiltrating
a church is the inability of the people to OBEY the truth [Of
course, this is "truth" as defined by Eckhardt, Wagner, Doren,
Ryles, Joyner, etc.] Disobedience and rebellion are always present wherever
there is WITCHCRAFT [ipso facto, anyone who opposes their
teachings - i.e., who is "disobedient" and "rebellious"
insofar as the "truth" they are preaching is a WITCH]."
"... The apostolic anointing (ruling) keeps us free from ...
false teaching (and false teachers) ... THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS
WE NEED AN APOSTOLIC ANOINTING WITHIN THE CHURCH. This anointing
deals with WITCHCRAFT... The apostolic anointing (ruling) prevents
the enemy from stopping the flow of the Spirit."
And how is it that the RULE of the "Apostles and Prophets"
is going to prevent "false teachers" (meaning, once again,
those who oppose the "New Apostolic Reformation") from "ruining"
the church. Eckhard gives a way:
"I like the way Paul dealt with WITCHCRAFT. He did not
play around with it. He judged it with the power of God, CALLING
DOWN BLINDNESS upon Elymas the sorcerer. THIS TYPE OF AUTHORITY
AND JUDGMENT IS RETURNING TO THE CHURCH WITH THE RESTORATION OF APOSTOLIC
MINISTRY ... With the restoration of the apostolic ministry, we
will see the same manifestations return to the Church that we read
about in the book of Acts: PEOPLE FALLING DOWN DEAD, sorcerers
smitten with blindness, LEADERS BEING EATEN UP BY WORMS. This
is not a pleasant picture, but the Lord will allow no man or woman
to hinder ... (His moving) in these last days."
Leaders being eaten up by worms? People falling down dead? - and I
suppose that if the "Spirit" doesn't do it, the "Apostles
and Prophets" will. THIS, OF COURSE, IS EXACTLY WHAT WILL HAPPEN!
Jesus said:
"They shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you,
delivering you up to the ... [churches], and into prisons,
being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake." (Luke
21:12)
These are those about whom the Apostle John wrote in the Apocalypse:
"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was
given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were BEHEADED
for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not
worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his
mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands ..." (Revelation
20:4)
It is here! It is precisely here that the church will be reaped; the
good seed separated from the bad seed - AND IN ALL OF THIS, IT'S
NOT WHAT ONE DECLARES HIMSELF TO BE, BUT WHAT ONE DEMONSTRATES
HIMSELF TO BE.
DEALING WITH ALL OPPOSITION
Moreover, as this kind of thinking takes hold - the kind that attributes
opposition to the Apostate Church and America's "New World Order
System" as WITCHCRAFT - it will spread out to encompass
everyone. Everyone who opposes the "New World Order System"
will be lumped together as "enemies of true religion and the state"
- including those "residual lefties" around the world who
continue to oppose America's "Free Enterprise System" - the
rebels who fight the "American System" in Columbia, in Ecuador,
in Peru, in Venezuela, in Guatemala, etc.
Certainly these people will have to be dealt with. After all, in opposing
America, these nations and peoples are opposing God. And in opposing
Dole, Nike, Exxon-Mobil, Swift and Company, Cargill, Archer Daniels
Midland, Monsanto, General Electric, Barrens Mining, Occidental Oil,
Citicorp, Bank of America, Standard Oil, Texaco, etc. they are opposing
God's servants in the world today, "little angels" whose sole
purpose is, as Bechtel's corporate statement declares, "working
with ... local communities throughout the world to help improve their
standard of living and their quality of life" - never mind the
fact that what they are really up to is gouging the poor of the world
for all they can get, AND HANG THOSE WHO GET IN THE WAY.
And so - in the name or "right religion" and "free enterprise"
apostate Christianity and America will go forth "conquering and
to conquer" - so that, in the end, "... every knee shall bow,
and every tongue shall confess" that the church, America and the
"Free Enterprise System should be worshipped and adored. Hence
the words in the Apocalypse -
"And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him
had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: AND HE WENT FORTH CONQUERING,
AND TO CONQUER." (Rev. 6:2)
PART 6: FICTION MEETS REALITY - ISRAEL
AND WHAT ABOUT ISRAEL?
And there is something more! - what will the APOSTATE church
of America's New World Order System do to tiny Israel when she refuses
to CONVERT after the Gog/Magog War? Remember, that's what step
5 in the "dominionists" time table calls for:
-
The world is plunged into a time of political and spiritual crisis,
one which threatens the world with chaos and the church with destruction.
-
The Lord brings revival to the church.
-
This revival results in the end of the church's divisions and the
rule of the "apostles and prophets."
-
The "Gospel of the Kingdom" is preached in America first;
America is "revived" as the "Redeemer Nation,"
which leads ultimately to the conversion and eventual conquest by
the "Redeemer Nation" (i.e., America) of the world.
-
THIS RESULTS IN THE CONVERSION OF ISRAEL.
-
The Lord returns.
According to the "dominionist" model, Israel has to CONVERT
for the Lord to come back. That's what people like Derick Prince, Reuven
Doren and countless other "dominionists" like them posit.
The question is, what happens if Israel refuses to convert? And they
won't convert, at least not on the timetable that the dominionist model
calls for!
Remember, the Scriptures teach that NATIONAL salvation for Israel
will not come to the Jewish people until - "THEY SHALL LOOK
UPON HIM WHOM THEY HAVE PIERCED" (Zech 12:10), and that won't
happen until Christ's Second Coming - approximately seven years after
the Gog/Magog War.
Until then, the Jews AS A NATION will remain in unbelief. THIS
DOESN'T MEAN, OF COURSE, THAT MANY JEWS AS INDIVIDUALS WON'T BE SAVED
(as they have been doing for centuries) DURING THE TRIBULATION PERIOD
- i.e., that seven year period of time following the Gog/Magog War.
Many, no doubt, will! But the conversion of Israel AS A NATION will
have to wait for the end of the Tribulation period - when Christ returns!
At which time, the Bible says:
"And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants
of Jerusalem, the SPIRIT OF GRACE (i.e., UNMERITED
FAVOR) and of supplications: and THEY SHALL LOOK UPON ME WHOM
THEY HAVE PIERCED (very obviously the Lord), and they shall mourn
for him (i.e., Jesus), as one mourneth for his only son, and shall
be in bitterness (i.e., great sorrow) for him (i.e., Christ, whom
they rejected), as one that is in bitterness (i.e., great sorrow)
for his firstborn.
"In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house
of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.
"And one shall say unto him, WHAT ARE THESE WOUNDS IN THINE
HANDS? Then he shall answer, THOSE WITH WHICH I WAS WOUNDED
IN THE HOUSE OF MY FRIENDS." (Please see Zech. 12:8-14, 13:1,
6)
DOING VIOLENCE TO THE
DOMINIONISTS' TIME-LINE
But, again, this will only happen at the moment of Christ's Second
Coming - and if that's the case, it does violence to the dominionists'
time line. In this connection, it is important to bear in mind that
most dominionists don't really believe in a rapture. They are PRECISELY
what their name implies: "dominionists" - people who believe
that the church must take DOMINION on the earth BEFORE
(I say again, BEFORE) Christ returns - which, of course
implies that the church must not only unite and subdue the earth BEFORE
the Lord returns, but also THAT ISRAEL MUST BE CONVERTED.
Reuven Doron explains:
"The very nation (Israel) that once gave birth (to the church)
now is in need to be birthed by another (so that Israel - acting together
in consort with the church - can usher in the Return of Christ). Who
will provide it? (i.e., Israel's rebirth) ... This premise of spiritual
revival still hinges upon the rising and completion of the ministry
of the prophetic 'Son of Man' company (i.e., the united, glorified
church under the leadership of the 'prophets and Apostles') ... Today
the Lord is calling forth a Son of Man Company to corporately prophecy
and speak to Israel's lifeless, hopeless white bones until the vision
is completed ... THE CHURCH IS BIRTHING ISRAEL."
What Doren is saying here is that as the church is "perfected"
by the ministry of the "Apostles and Prophets," it will take
its place over Israel's lifeless body, and prophesy unto it, and it
will be "rebirthed" (i.e., Israel will convert to Christianity).
Presumably this will occur shortly after the Gog/Magog War when Christians
(so-called) throughout the world will gather in the Holy Land to celebrate
"Christ's" (really, AntiChrist's) supposed victory over Islam.
Expanding on what Doron says, Rick Joyner continues,
"The Jews have historically represented the greatest test for
the gospel ... In a sense, Jews are the 'ACID TEST' of our
message. UNTIL THE CHURCH COMES TO THE SPIRITUAL STATURE (MATURITY)
WHERE SHE PROVOKES THE JEW TO JEALOUSY, WE HAVE NOT YET ATTAINED TO
WHAT WE HAVE BEEN CALLED."
This statement - "until the church comes to the spiritual stature
(maturity) where she provokes the Jew to jealousy, we have not yet attained
to what we have been called" - says a lot about the mindset of
dominionists like C. Peter Wagner, John Eckhardt, Derrick Prince, Dutch
Sheets, Jim Goll, John Paul Jackson, James Ryle, Frank Damazio, Ed Silvoso,
Carlos Annacondia, etc. What it says is that the CONVERSION OF THE
JEWS is the church's "PROOF POSITIVE" (presumably
to Christ) that she has made herself ready, AND THE LORD CAN NOW
RETURN - kind of like passing a driver's examination to prove to
the state that one has at last obtained the skills and knowledge to
drive a car.
Think about that: THE CONVERSION OF THE JEWS - NOT NECESSARILY THE
CHURCH TAKING CONTROL OF THE EARTH - IS THE "ACID TEST" THAT
THE CHURCH HAS BEEN "PERFECTED." That's pretty heavy!
- and it indicates the importance that the dominionists attach to the
Jews' conversion. Joyner continues:
"The Jews were 'hardened' TO MAKE THEM THE HARDEST TO REACH.
In this way, they have become the barometer of humanity, reflecting
the overall condition of the state of man. When the gospel is preached
that grafts the 'natural branches' back into the tree, the church
and Israel will then be able to reach the whole world. This is why
Paul said that the gospel should be preached 'to the Jew first'. This
was not just out of favoritism, but because the Jew represents the
greatest challenge of the gospel, and one which we must have ... Even
so, our relationship to the Jews is not meant to be a stumbling block,
but a stepping stone ... The final joining together of both 'into
one new man' ... resulting in the healing of all spiritual and cultural
wounds. WHEN THE CHURCH AND ISRAEL HAVE BEEN GRAFTED TOGETHER ...
THE TIME OF "THE RESTORATION OF ALL THINGS" (i.e., THE LORD'S
SECOND COMING) MAY BEGIN."
THE WORST THING TO
BE IS A JILTED LOVER
In other words, "the time of the restoration of all things"
can't begin until Israel is saved. But once again I must remind you
that the prophet Zechariah says that won't occur until Christ returns,
not before. (Zech. 12:10 - 13:1) Nevertheless, Christian dominionists
are expecting the Jews to convert! - and to this end, they fervently
believe the church has made herself ready.
What will happen when these hopes are dashed, as they most certainly
will be. (cf. Zech. 12:10 - 13:1) WOW! - THE WRATH
THAT WILL FALL ON ISRAEL AS A RESULT WILL BE HORRIBLE! THERE IS, AFTER
ALL, NOTHING SO HATEFUL AND MEAN-SPIRITED AS A JILTED LOVER.
And more than that, what will Christian dominionists think when Israel
refuses not only to convert, but rebuilds the temple, excludes any Christian
participation in its rebuilding and in the subsequent revived Temple
service, and then - as if to add insult to injury - CLAIMS THAT SHE
(i.e., ISRAEL) - AND NOT THE CHURCH - IS GOD'S REPRESENTATIVE ON EARTH?
What will happen then? Think of the wrath that this will provoke among
Christian dominionists!
The gloves will come off, the smiles will disappear, and the knives
will surely be unsheathed then. THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED TO LUTHER
- and you can be sure that it will happen again!
A FESTERING SORE
The very real fact of the matter is, the continued existence of the
Jewish people as a separate and distinct and UNBELIEVING entity
OUTSIDE the church will have to be explained somehow - this isn't
the way things are supposed to happen according to the "dominionist
model." The presence of unconverted Jews in the Holy Land could
not help but be a festering sore to the dominionist eschatology of Reuven
Doren, C. Peter Wagner, Cindy Jacobs, D. James Kennedy and the like.
Maybe if the Jews could just remain quiet and crawl away into some
obscure corner of the world and stay there, perhaps that would be enough.
But their continued presence in the Holy Land - where the church of
James Ryle, Barbara Wentroble, Jack Hayford, Texe Marrs, etc. is busy
"setting up shop" - is too much, especially in light of their
REFUSAL to recognize the church's primacy - is too much!! It
will directly challenge the "dominionist" undergirding of
the Apostate Church, and ipso facto, the authority of America's "New
World Order System" which now - in the religious fervor and hype
of the moment - has come to be undergirded by this theology. What to
do?
WHAT TO DO?
The answer is simple enough! - picture those Jews in the Holy Land
who refuse to convert as agents of the Devil (after all, the church
has been doing that for centuries and centuries). There certainly exists
a large enough body of literature in the countless CONSPIRACY THEORIES
about the Jews that abound in Christian circles to accommodate such
thinking. THE DEVIL IS ANIMATING THE JEWS! - that must be the
answer! The Jewish people's reluctance to surrender their Old Testament
promises to the church is of the devil. That's it! And their refusal
to accord the AntiChrist (who is by now ensconced in the Holy Land passing
himself off as their "savior") the deference and respect he
thinks is due him for supposedly rescuing them from the "Islamic
Horror," gives evidence to the fact of their hard-hearted and insensitive
nature.
Very obviously, it would appear that the conspiracy theories like the
famous Simonini fabrication, Biarritz, The Protocols of the Learned
Elders of Zion, The International Jew, etc., and conspiracy-theorists
like Nesta Webster, the Abbe Barruel, Herman Goedsche, Gougenot des
Mousseaux, Sergey Alexandrovich Nilus, Henry Ford, etc. were right about
the Jews all along - the Jews MUST be a tribe of witches. Certainly
the "Prophets and Apostles" like John Eckhardt and James Ryles
would have very little trouble in believing such a thing - after all,
by Eckhardt's own testimony, those who refuse to recognize the authority
of the church (so-called) are motivated by a spirit of WITCHCRAFT.
That's what he says:
"... false teachers (meaning those who oppose "The New
Apostolic Reformation") carry a spirit of WITCHCRAFT."
"WITCHCRAFT?" Eee gads! - there's that label again!
Eckhardt continues:
"Among the dark spirits we must contend with today is a spirit
of WITCHCRAFT... they relate to the Church's opposition today
... WITCHCRAFT is a major spirit that will challenge and attempt
to stop the progress of the Church ..."
BLOODLUST AGAINST THE JEWS
And so now, it begins all over again - a new BLOODLUST against
the Jews aggressively pushed by the APOSTATE CHURCH - which,
together with the AntiChrist, is ALSO now ensconced in the Holy
Land - begins, and Christians (especially Jewish Christians) in Israel
will be forced to take sides. Who are they going to side with? - the
Apostate Church, or Israel? [Please see our side article on the "The
Messianic Jews: What Will They Do?"]
By standing with Israel, the Reuven Dorens and the James Ryles of this
world will claim that Christians who refuse to stand with them have
abandoned their Christianity! That they have abandoned Christ! What
will they do then? - that's the question for them! This doesn't mean
that Jewish Christians in Israel shouldn't preach the Gospel. They should!
- both "in season and out of season!" But what it does mean,
is that in their preaching of the "Good News" of Jesus Christ,
THEY MUST ALSO PROCLAIM BOTH BY THEIR WORDS AND THEIR MANNER OF LIVING
THAT THEY (AND TRUE CHRISTIANS EVERYWHERE) HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE
FALSE CLAIMS OF THE APOSTATE CHURCH AND THE AMERICAN "NEW WORLD
ORDER SYSTEM," AND THAT THEY OPPOSE THE OCCUPATION OF ISRAEL BY
THIS "OVERFLOWING SCOURGE" (Is. 28:18) THAT HAS -
"... pitched the tents of his royal pavilion between the seas
and the beautiful Holy Mountain ..." (Daniel 11:45)
No doubt, in doing so, and in their resultant failure to support the
OCCUPATION of Israel by the forces of AntiChrist (which, sadly,
has resulted from Israel's ill-advised defense pact with the United
States), they will, as we have previously indicated, very obviously
appear to be challenging the LEGITIMACY of America's New World
Order System, which is something much more than a mere "religious
crime," but a "political crime" as well - for which they
can pay with their lives. What will they do then?
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